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'Too much pressure on': What Australian rugby can learn from Jack Debreczeni

Almost like clockwork, Australian rugby has worked itself into a lather over its next crop of talented, but raw, young playmakers.

It has taken only two appearances with the Western Force for Reesjan Pasitoa to be sounded out as a potential Wallabies fly-half, with Test great Tim Horan putting the 20-year-old's name up in lights following his performance in the 28-3 win over the Rebels last week.

Speaking on Stan Sport, Horan said "the time was right" for Dave Rennie to draft Pasitoa into his Wallabies squad, before later qualifying his comments that it would be more around exposure to the environment rather than potentially lining up against England come July.

The comments have been hotly debated ever since, specifically that they perhaps place unnecessary pressure on a youngster who is only just learning his craft at the professional level.

Former Melbourne Rebels fly-half Jack Debreczeni knows exactly how that feels.

At just 21 years of age, the former Australia Schoolboys star was handed the reins at the Rebels in 2014 after little more than a season of Shute Shield rugby. It proved a steep learning curve, but as his performances improved, Debreczeni soon found himself the subject of Wallabies discussions, just as Pasitoa does now.

"It's exciting, but at the same time, at 10, I think there are a lot of things you can't teach, it's in-game experiences and sometimes you've got to find out the hard way that that's not how things should be done," Debreczeni, who is currently playing for Hino Red Dolphins in Japan, told ESPN of his early experiences as a Super Rugby playmaker.

"You learn you shouldn't throw that pass or kick it there, or you're too flat here and you're too deep there, and only the experience of playing there gets you there.

"So I was grateful to have the opportunity to be thrown in there so early and learn, and go through the highs and lows of what a 10 has to go through of running a team, moving a team around the park and positional play. It was definitely daunting and there were a couple of tough lessons those first couple of years."

With a booming boot and a big frame, Debreczeni soon started to look at home at No. 10 for the Rebels, while Australian supporters and pundits alike began to add his name to conversations around the 2019 Rugby World Cup.

With Bernard Foley and Quade Cooper still playing domestically, Debreczeni was still too green for the 2015 tournament, but there was a genuine feeling he could be the man for Japan four years later.

Suddenly he saw his name in newspaper articles or heard discussions on television magazine shows, pre and post-game interviews, a reality he says is a lot to get your head around as a young rugby player.

"You sort of go from no media experience to media experience; you get told not to give away too much information, to not expose yourself too much. So you're always thinking 'what am I going to say, do I throw a headline out there'," Debreczeni said of dealing with the media.

"But it was cool and you learn through the years that we need media to promote the game as well as anything, don't always look at it as a negative thing. Obviously some stories come out but I feel like we need media to promote the game, because otherwise people don't get to see or hear from their superstar heroes or other players in the game; it gives them identity.

"For me personally, it took some learning that if I was to engage with the good articles then I had to cop the bad articles as well. And that probably took me a while to adjust to. You see your name in certain articles and are like 'ooh yeah, okay' and maybe you read into it a bit too much, and then you probably take the bad articles to heart a bit more because you've read into the good ones.

"So I think it's about getting that even balance, that you know who you are as a player, and that things are going to go up and down as you play."

Asked directly about Horan's comments and the wider narrative around Australia's burgeoning group of 10s, Debreczeni agrees the local game puts too much pressure on its youngsters.

But he is also adamant that it comes from a good place, and as a fly-half or scrum-half it is always going to come with the territory.

"I think at the moment we probably do [put too much pressure on]," he told ESPN. "I feel like when I was coming around, yeah there was a little bit of hype around me, but we had Quade, Christian [Leali'ifano], Bernard Foley. Whereas now with just [James] O'Connor and [Matt] To'omua, and then the rest of the teams with quite young guys, I think everyone is thinking 'who's the next Larkham or who's the next so and so', and I think we're trying to accelerate their progress after three or four games.

"So I think we do put a lot of pressure on that position but I think it comes because of the success of the 90s and early 2000s, we're still trying to get back to that. They are crucial positions, when you look around the world those are the positions that really have an impact on the game, you do understand that we need good 9s and 10s.

"But I think we do sometimes either react too quickly or put too much pressure on those young guys."

While O'Connor, Cooper and Noah Lolesio remain the favourites to wear the No. 10 at next year's Rugby World Cup in France, the likes of Pasitoa, Ben Donaldson, Carter Gordon and Will Harrison could all be in the frame for the 2027 tournament - which is still likely to be held in Australia despite conflicting media reports this week.

While his Wallabies aspirations stalled after a couple of quiet seasons with the Rebels, Debreczeni says the now defunct National Rugby Championship, which sat as the third tier of competition, was invaluable for his development.

"It was a bit different to Super Rugby, it was a bit faster, the ball was thrown a bit more; the first couple of years [of my career] I thought it was quite beneficial," Debreczeni said. "Obviously it's tough with money, it's going to be tough to sustain with financial backing, especially to get the best players from Shute Shield.

"If you look across the ditch, guys are able to take time off work because they have money to cover it, so I understand that's quite difficult. But I definitely think there is the place for some sort of third division, whether that's a club comp or whatever; I think the more games the better.

"The thing I found going to New Zealand, in regards to Super Rugby teams, they weren't super fit or whatever, it was just the 10-12 extra games you got in the NPC comp, that's the only way you got the experience of playing rugby. You can train as much as you want, but you actually need to be playing rugby.

"And I think once our NRC dropped away, where do these guys who are the 23-30 on a Super Rugby depth chart, where do they get their rugby once club rugby is finished?"

While he is hopeful some sort of third tier competition can be reinstated in Australia, Debreczeni also sees value in sending some Australian players across the ditch for exposure in the Mitre 10 Cup, just as he did with Northland between 2018-19 and Reds back-rower Angus Scott-Young did with Bay of Plenty last year.

"I think it's case by case, but I think it would be great if Super Rugby clubs identified a back-rower or a fullback or a five-eighth, and said 'he needs more game time, let's try and find a link with a team in New Zealand and send him over so we can keep track of what he's doing and he can get some development before coming back to Super Rugby'," Debreczeni told ESPN.

"I wouldn't say everyone should go, we need to hopefully create our own competition, but I feel like there is benefit in Super Rugby clubs identifying certain players to go over there and get some experience, play some good rugby, and hopefully it benefits Australian rugby in the future."

Now 28, Debreczeni can look back with the power of hindsight and identify where his own hopes of a Test career stalled, and offer some vital advice to Pasitoa and Co.

"The big thing is, and it's obviously a lot tougher with social media now, but when it comes to media is that you need to have an even keel," he said when asked what advice he would offer. "If you're gonna read the good stuff you've gotta read the bad stuff, too.

"And I would just say continue to back yourself and give yourself time, don't be rushed and feel like you've got to be the next Dan Carter or the next Stephen Larkham this year. I feel like I caught myself, in year two or three, trying to become something more than I was.

"I would say that my ego got in the way, which affected my game and that's why I had a couple of rough years there. I was trying to force things and I went away from things, or maybe I stopped doing things at training that I was doing in the first two years; maybe I was getting a bit too ahead of myself.

"So I would say probably that 'there is time, be patient, keep working on your craft,' that's all you can do really."

Not that Debreczeni has completely given up the thought of a return to Super Rugby, and the dream of one day representing the Wallabies, himself.

"No matter how far you go there's always that burning desire to play for the Wallabies," Debreczeni said. "I probably feel like that time has passed, but then again you never know - you never say no to any opportunity.

"But I always keep an eye on Super Rugby and how the Aussie teams are going. And it's looking good so far, I think the boys are in a good space over there. And with the young No. 10s, as long as they keep getting the backing and support from the coaches, I think those guys will be great for the future."