GREEN BAY, Wis. -- Brett Hundley can't -- or doesn't have permission to -- throw downfield. The defense can't get any pressure on the quarterback or effectively cover opposing receivers. And defensive tackle Mike Daniels apparently can't help himself from committing a costly penalty.

If the Green Bay Packers can't change at least some of that, they won't win many -- or any -- more games.

What else is there to conclude about life without Aaron Rodgers after Monday night's 30-17 loss to the Detroit Lions?

Hundley's second start looked much like his first, in which he threw for just 87 yards in a 26-17 loss to the Saints. Even after the bye week to come up with something dynamic for Hundley, coach Mike McCarthy didn't exactly unleash his quarterback.

Of Hundley's 18 first-half passes, 13 were thrown 5 or fewer yards downfield, including eight thrown at or behind the line of scrimmage, according to ESPN Stats & Information.

There's a reason Jordy Nelson's 12-yard catch on a comeback route on the Packers' first play of the third quarter looked like a huge gain. It was Hundley's first completion of the night on a pass thrown more than 10 yards downfield. The Packers were already down 17-3 at that point.

Not that the Packers' defense did much to give them a chance, either. The Lions made third-and-long look easy, though Daniels helped on one of those with an ill-advised act of aggression. After Matthew Stafford threw incomplete on third-and-14 in the first quarter, Daniels head-butted center Travis Swanson and drew a personal foul that kept the Lions' offense on the field.

Daniels might have talked himself into that one. Last week, he said it was time for the Packers to "retaliate" and "deliver some blows" after the past two NFC North opponents knocked Rodgers and receiver Davante Adams out of games.

When the Packers didn't help Stafford, he carved them up on his own. He threw for 361 yards, completing 26 of 33 passes, including a pair of touchdowns. Two Lions receivers -- Marvin Jones and Golden Tate -- went for more than 100 yards.

Hundley threw for 245 yards without a touchdown or an interception and completed 26 of 38 passes. None of his receivers, however, got to the 60-yard mark.

"Brett Hundley played better tonight, and I have great faith in Brett Hundley," McCarthy said. "Brett Hundley’s not our issue. ... Stafford, I thought he threw the heck out of the ball tonight. And they caught it and tough coverages. A lot of competitive catches. That’s what we’ll focus on, and we need to be a step better a number of times of tonight."

Of Hundley's 38 pass attempts, 23 were thrown within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, according to ESPN Stats & Information. In fact, 13 of those were thrown at or behind the line of scrimmage, and eight went for no yards or lost yards.

One of Hundley's best drives was his first, but even that was ruined when Mason Crosby's 38-yard field goal attempt was blocked, the result of a low snap in the debut for Derek Hart (the Packers' third long-snapper of the season).

On the rare occasions when something good happened -- Randall Cobb's 46-yard reception on a catch-and-run in the fourth quarter -- something bad followed. Right tackle Bryan Bulaga had to be carted off the field with a knee injury, ensuring that the offensive line, which was together for just the second time all season, couldn't get through a game unscathed. Yes, the Packers turned that into the first touchdown of the game on Hundley's 1-yard sneak, but the Lions scored one minute, 46 seconds later.

"We called shots," Hundley said. "It was a great called game, but the way they played their defense, they weren’t giving up the shots. You have to look at the defense, what they’re doing, how they’re playing us, how they’re scheming things, and this game, they were giving up the underneath stuff, so if they’re giving it up, you’ve got to take it. You take it and then hit one, just like we did with Cobb, and you take your shots when they sort of come up a little bit. But you’ve got to take what’s given, and they’re sort of sitting off a little bit, and you just take what’s underneath.”

The Packers haven't won since Rodgers broke his right clavicle in Week 6 at Minnesota. Rodgers talked last week about the possibility that he could come back late in the season, but if the Packers (4-4) can't win a few games, then it would be moot.

The Packers couldn't beat the Saints, even with a pair of takeaways and a 131-yard rushing game from Aaron Jones.

They couldn't beat the Lions, who came in at 3-4 and on a three-game losing streak.

Sunday's game at Chicago (3-5) could be more of the same.